ITEMS OF INTEREST
I have been posting items of interest since September 2016 on mateyourmare Thoroughbred breeding forum , click to join there is no cost, however you still might find these other articles below interesting.
Riverman appears in the pedigrees of over 50% of the top 12 mares in the last 50 years, on the dam line of the sire or dam.
Why has Street Cry sired two of the best mares in the world? is Riverman the secret.
Winx, winner of 35 from 41 races of which 32 are group races including 23 group one wins and 31 wins on the trot.
Zenyatta winner of 19 from 20 starts of which 17 were group races including 13 group one wins, only beaten once into second at her last start before retiring.
Street Cry’s next best is the 4 times group one winning 3YO filly, Oh Susanna then the mare Sweet Reason and the stallion Street Sense who both won 3 x G.1 races. An interesting note was that Street Cry and Anabaa has the same 2nd dam sire Riverman and another mare I put right up there with the above
Goldikova by Anabaa, winner of 14 Group one races, has a double of Riverman, both being the 3rd dam sire on the sire and dam lines,
Treve winner of 6 Group ones including 2 x Prix de I'arc De Triomphe in consecutive years, her dam is by Anabaa and 2nd dam is by Riverman another double.
Maykbe Diva 36 starts 15 wins,10 group wins of which 5 were group ones including 3 x Melbourne Cups in consecutive years, dam by Riverman
Bosra Sham winner of 7 races from 10 starts, 6 Group of which 3 were at group one, dam by Riverman
Typtych another champion mare she won 14 races and 9 of them were Group one races she is by Riverman.
I have checked all commercial stallions standing in Australasia to find only four that have Riverman to the dam line, he is the 2nd dam sire of Who's That Cat standing in Queensland for $2,200 www.wtcstallion.com.au the 3rd dam Sire of Hardham standing in Victoria the 4th dam sire of Dominant standing in Queensland and the 5th dam sire of Territories.standing at Darley for $16,500 www.darley.com.au
I find it interesting that DANZIG, SIR TRISTRAM and RED RANSOM never won a Group race, yet over a third of New Zealand stallions standing descend from these three sires and we are told stallions must be group one winners to be commercial. Yet In Australia,
I AM INVINCIBLE, only won at group 3 level, and he stands this year at $192,500.
A stallion named ADRAAN who stood in Australia in 1982 for only one season.had 27 live foals and 23 were named, he sired, Magic Flute G1, Adraanito G2,El Vaquero G2 Khaptivaan G2, Adraanette G.3 Aussie Consul G.3 and Bataan G.3, so that was 7 Group winners, 25% for foals born and over 30% for named foals, and 20 of this crop were winners, would there have ever been another stallion in the world that could match or better these figures?
Did you know that ZABEEL a G.1 winner and champion sire dam was a twin, another to be out of a twin was GUNSYND winner of 29 races including the 1972 Cox plate plus the Epsom, Toorak, and George Adams and Australia Champion Racehorse 1973, he went on to sire the dam of Emancipation the 1984 Australian Champion Racehorse and now with scanning techniques we eliminate one. So I don't think this can ever be repeated.
I was talking to a client in America and it brought to mind a horse we missed out buying in the 2003 Magic Millions Premier Yearling Sale, he was by Distorted Humor out of Miss Tatum, our budget was 20K and he went for 21K to Malaysia, he was named Joker Mine in Australia and changed to Fast Flying in Malaysia, he won 9 races and $650K.
The reason I mention this, is that Distorted Humor stood at Grand Lodge stud Victoria Australia for $12,000 in the year 2000 and dropped to $10,000 in 2001, he never re shuttled and in 2003 he became the sire of the Kentucky Derby winner Funny Cide, in 2008 his stud fee was $300,000 US ,
I believe this illustrates you cannot tell what a stallion is going to go on and do.
THE STALLION FOXBRIDGE
headed the NZ sire’s premiership for 11 seasons, dominating the racing scene in the 1940s. His accomplishments continued as a broodmare sire where the success of his daughters at stud saw him crowned as champion broodmare sire 11 times. Because of World War II, very few of FOXBRIDGE'S progeny raced in Australia, yet their earnings at the time of his death were a British Empire record.
A single day’s racing, Cup Day at Ellerslie on Boxing Day of 1944, illustrates
FOXBRIDGE'S dominance of the era and the great range of his stock’s talent. On an eight-race card, he sired the whole card his progeny won the two two-year-old races, two one-mile races, the Queen’s Plate and Christmas Handicap, the six-furlong Railway Handicap and the two-mile Auckland Cup.
MABEEL an $80K yearling purchase, scorched to an impressive victory in a blistering 1.21.52 for the R85 1400. To put this time into context,
brilliant three-year-old Xtravagant winner of the group one 2000 Guineas by 8.5 lengths, went a full second slower in 1.22.62 in the following race, while Seventh Up could only record 1.23.97 in the R75 last race of the day. My horse Somethingvain ran 5th, 7.4 lengths behind Mabeel yet her time was 1.22.69 and based on time this would place her second to Xtravagant, and won the last race by over 10 lengths,
A length is just under 2.5 meters and good horses run 7 lengths in a second up to 1600m
5-12-2015 I love group one races but I was so disappointed in the Captain cook stakes today, race 6 was run in a time of 1.36.62 and race 9 R75 was run in 1.36.79 and the group one in the middle of these races were run in 1.38.73 that's 2 seconds slower ,what were the jockeys thinking ? the backmarkers had no show did they all think they were on Phar Lap
20-11-2015 There is money to be made pin hooking if you know what you are doing, look at these results from the Ready To Run sale just concluded.
HERE IS AN ARTICLE THAT APPEARED IN THE INFORMANT.
TO BREED A CHAMPION? By John Richardson
To attain the impossible dream? Well, that is certainly just about correct, and few of us, who breed horses over many years achieve the ultimate, although most are blessed, if they keep at it, with one or two that come close. So what are the obstacles? They can be summed up somewhat inaccurately as the physical and the genetic.
In the former case environment is of prime importance as, without access to the correct mineral balance in your land, genetics does not matter a fig. So get that sorted first of all with good pastures, remembering that great dairy pasture does not necessarily equate to good horse country. Land that has not been over-horsed in the past is desirable, and not overstocking it with horses in the future is essential.
It is essential too that one decides from the outset exactly what are one’s aims. It is a sad fact that if you set out to breed to make money in the yearling market, it is far less likely that you will succeed in breeding top class horses, unless, of course, you have ready access to one of those extremely rare stallions that seem to gel with almost every mare they impregnate. So a conscious decision to aim to breed high-class racehorses needs to be made right from the start.
There will be a financial spin-off there too as soon as it is seen that you are breeding the goods, for if you decide to sell progeny, your female lines will inevitably look much better on that iniquitous catalogue page.
Should you be in the happy position of being able to race your produce, you will be able to have some influence on who trains and rides them. Most today are conscientious, but sadly more than one potential horse has been ruined through bad handling from a foal through to maturity. So much for the physical aspects, but what of genetics?
Should one subscribe to the old saw of “Breed the best to the best and hope for the best” as advertised just a couple of years ago by one of the world’s pre-eminent stud operations? Emphatically not - in my view. Year in, year out we see outstanding champion racemares go off to stud, and inevitably we see them visiting the “fashionable” sire of the moment. We should all be aware that internationally outstanding racemares have a relatively poor record as matrons when surely they should be able to attain far better results? This is the most likely reason.
Before embarking on the whys and wherefores of matings, it is well to realise that there are limitations, even if you design the perfect genetic match. The Father of Genetics was the Abbot Mendel, whose experiments with peas, resulted in the establishment of basic genetic truths. His laws basically state that a mating that is made, say, four times will, on average, result in a good one, two middling ones and a poor one. This is, naturally, a very simplistic approach, which indicates that one needs to repeat a very good mating several times to optimise results. The several Pag-Asa / Imitation matings, designed by the late pedigree guru Harold Hampton, which produced Bonecrusher, is an excellent example of this in practice.
You will have noted the underlining of ‘on average’ for it is perfectly possible to get four duds or as in the Phalaris / Scapa Flow mating three or more good ones as in Pharos, Fairway and Fair Isle (1000 Guineas). All of which prompts the question, why ever do we bother?! The answer is a very simple one as carefully designed matings exponentially increase the percentage chance of breeding that good horse. Those chances may still be quite long, but they would prove very much longer by happenstance. Sometimes a big winner comes right out of left field, leaving everyone in doubt from whence it has sprung,
although there is sure to be a good reason somewhere way back. It is perfectly feasible for that top horse to be drawing on a build-up of certain blood as far as a dozen removes back. The practicalities of pedigrees usually limit the setting out of a chart at a maximum of seven generations, with perhaps the knowledge of the operator able to extend this a couple more removes.
I was first drawn into compiling pedigrees in England, when preparing catalogue details for the Tattersalls Sales, for a couple of years for the British Bloodstock Agency and then for the next decade in Newmarket with my own firm. It would be fair to say that over 75% of the detail in each mammoth catalogue emanated from my company. At the BBA I was fortunate to have the famed Captain Kazimierz Bobinski from whom I was able to learn a great deal. From 1974 I was able to put these skills to work in this country producing under various guises five volumes of the NZ Stallion Register, and preparing Dalgety sales catalogues 1978 to 1983. It was not surprising that in these earlier days I had a firm belief in the strength of the tail female line, as exemplified in the catalogues, and it was only as I became more aware of the practicalities of matings that I realised that the bottom eighth of a chart reflects no more and no less than one eighth of the pedigree.
During the 1970’s I used to get regularly button-holed at the sales by a quaint little fellow-Anglo, one Harold Hampton, and we had plenty of interesting discussions. He found it difficult to get his ideas across to me, and, I suspect, to many others, but eventually, I began to realise that, probably alone of all pedigree experts at that time, he was really on to something. Into the 1980s I discovered the writings of the Australian Ken McLean and he became an even greater influence.
Breeding for us with just a couple of mares was just a bit of a hit and miss affair to start with and the size or lack of a service fee often counted more than bloodlines! However I always tried to use stallions that had something going with the mare, and eventually, our last dozen foals yielded 4 SWs.
Back when The Informant started a decade ago, I began writing breeding articles each week on selected Group one winners throughout the world, and at the same time got regularly approached by breeders for assistance in designing their matings. Using in part the findings of Hampton and McLean added to my own observations based on a large number of pedigrees of elite winners, I evolved my own strong opinions regarding what constitutes the pedigree of a top-class horse.
Today the framework of pedigrees has undergone a radical change from that which is existed in former times when St. Simon, his full sister Angelica and their sire Galopin possessed a stranglehold on the background of so many good horses. This moved on and in the immediate post-war years in Britain, it was Hyperion, Nearco and Donatello crosses that
ruled the roost. No surprise that the latter pair were Tesio creations and the former Lord Derby’s. Those two gentlemen were the premier breeders of their day, and both (Derby through his advisors) showed us many differing ways to breed that top horse.
In America Bold Ruler (Nasrullah) held sway for quite a while but apart from A.P. Ind,y his line seems to be fading away. In Australia the flying Star Kingdom became super-dominant at around the same period, but he too has drifted off many pedigree charts. Neither of these sires exerts much influence any more, although Biscay and son Bletchingly, and also Kaoru Star from the Star Kingdom tribe seem to nick quite well with Northern Dancer.
Northern Dancer has filled the huge gap left by St. Simon a century earlier, and like that horse exists so prolifically in the male line in just about everything that he has just about become an irrelevance. Not quite though as he has left an immensely powerful sireline of Sadler’s Wells and son Galileo, and a handful of horses holding Northern Dancer female strains. There is too his inbred son Danehill, who is 3 x 3 in balance to Natalma.
Northern Dancer has, however, made a major contribution as the main constituent of strong nicks with other lines, for instance with Hail To Reason and Sir Gaylord (sire of Sir Ivor), who are both by the Royal Charger horse Turn-to. This is usually seen in this part of the world through Sir Tristram and his son Zabeel. His main nick is, however, with Mr. Prospector and other sons of Raise A Native, a combination, which gives balance to the iron grey Native Dancer. Often seen in Australasia is his nick with Star Kingdom sons, particularly Biscay and Kaoru Star. All these are still extant usually around the third and fourth removes, but apparently still of much moment.
Another important nick a bit further back but still having a strong effect (it can be seen in O’Reilly) is the nick between Nasrullah and Princequillo, or more accurately but less commonly seen, between their sires Nearco and Prince Rose. It is the lynchpin behind such stalwarts as Secretariat, Mill Reef and Riverman.
Nowadays closer focus is on the combination between Sadler’s Wells (and his brothers like Fairy King) and their three parts brother Nureyev, and Europe’s incredible nick for classic stayers between Sadler’s Wells and male descendants of Mill Reef, i.e son Shirley Heights, grandson Darshaan and great-grandson Dalakhani. All this, of course, is just scratching the surface of such combinations, and each and every individual is very different from its fellows.
In planning matings, my methodology is as follows. First of all, I print out, usually on two sheets of A4, the full seven generation pedigree of the mare and stick the two sheets together. I then divide the pedigree into eight segments, which allows one to see the five remove charts of each of the grandparents. My next step is to link all patterns/nicks/important crosses, especially if they are repeated, which is desirable on the other half of the chart. I then deal with each eighth segment and mark in a different colour any sex balanced linebreeding in the five removes, or beyond where known to me.
Next, I go to the parents and again in another colour indicate balanced linebreeding, a process I then repeat over the whole chart. I tend to ignore male linebreeding but usually note where it is to two females as this can have relevance, especially for a filly. I confess I still struggle with the concept of a filly pedigree as espoused by Hampton and his disciples, although I am willing to be convinced.
I always have on file such charts for all current and recent stallions, so it is a comparatively easy exercise to match up the charts of potential sire and your mare. Arion Pedigrees have an excellent facility for putting up Theoretical Matings, but, of course, you only get six removes of sire and dam, one less than I prefer.
The aim when planning for your prospective champion is to design a pedigree that has wide sexual balance, i.e. between sons and daughters of a horse, on either side of the chart. It seems to be especially beneficial with proven nicks, if the same or similar patterns are repeated on both sides, especially if some of the participants are sex reversed. Last of all remember that there are professional researchers, with knowledge acquired over a lifetime, who are available to help breeders to produce that champion.